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		By: Sahar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for posting this. Azar is definitely a Western-Liberal minded Iranian, but most likely she is probably oblivious to the grander idea of Western imperialism. I wouldn&#039;t go to the extent of calling her an &#039;agent of colonialism,&#039; because I am sure that wasn&#039;t her intention. A lot of people like Azar are have neoconservative ideals unknowingly. 
It is not just Iranians, but rather many middle-to elite class non-Westerners who are ideal creations of the &#039;Macaulay&#039;s Children&#039; who were to be brown skinned, but &#039;English&#039; in taste and thought. This really exists today, where a lot of these so-called Iranians are exactly Western-Liberal in their outlook in life. 

A good book to read that relates to this is &quot;Black Faces, White Masks&quot; by Franz Fenon.

Debashi may have been a bit extreme, but I applaud him for speaking out. Azar&#039;s book (perhaps unintentionally) created a very &#039;uncivilized&#039; and &#039;barbaric&#039; Orientalist view of Iran (completely ignoring it&#039;s History and the European involvement -- such as overthrowing Mossadeq and installing the puppet Shah).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this. Azar is definitely a Western-Liberal minded Iranian, but most likely she is probably oblivious to the grander idea of Western imperialism. I wouldn&#8217;t go to the extent of calling her an &#8216;agent of colonialism,&#8217; because I am sure that wasn&#8217;t her intention. A lot of people like Azar are have neoconservative ideals unknowingly.<br />
It is not just Iranians, but rather many middle-to elite class non-Westerners who are ideal creations of the &#8216;Macaulay&#8217;s Children&#8217; who were to be brown skinned, but &#8216;English&#8217; in taste and thought. This really exists today, where a lot of these so-called Iranians are exactly Western-Liberal in their outlook in life. </p>
<p>A good book to read that relates to this is &#8220;Black Faces, White Masks&#8221; by Franz Fenon.</p>
<p>Debashi may have been a bit extreme, but I applaud him for speaking out. Azar&#8217;s book (perhaps unintentionally) created a very &#8216;uncivilized&#8217; and &#8216;barbaric&#8217; Orientalist view of Iran (completely ignoring it&#8217;s History and the European involvement &#8212; such as overthrowing Mossadeq and installing the puppet Shah).</p>
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		By: ffflaneur		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[re Dabashi&#039;s  RLT review : &quot;the level of vitriol is uncalled-for.  I think the validity of (many of) his points are undermined by his obvious, passionate, personal dislike of Nafisi&quot; --- quite so!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re Dabashi&#8217;s  RLT review : &#8220;the level of vitriol is uncalled-for.  I think the validity of (many of) his points are undermined by his obvious, passionate, personal dislike of Nafisi&#8221; &#8212; quite so!</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2009/08/05/reading-lolita-in-tehran-azar-nafisi/#comment-13616&quot;&gt;Nymeth&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s a weird concept, I think - if you have connections to somewhere, that means you must like everything to do with that place.  I love Louisiana to bits, but Southern literature is SO MUCH not my thing.  I had a professor in college who tried to talk me out of this, but really, it&#039;s ridiculous to try to argue someone out of what they like or don&#039;t like.

Reading Lolita in Tehran is lovely to read - I&#039;m afraid I haven&#039;t emphasized this enough!  I loved &quot;listening in&quot; on her class&#039;s discussions of the literature they were studying.  Whatever she thinks about the US and Iran and all that, her love of the books is obvious.  And I love them too, so there is a feeling of connection for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2009/08/05/reading-lolita-in-tehran-azar-nafisi/#comment-13616">Nymeth</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a weird concept, I think &#8211; if you have connections to somewhere, that means you must like everything to do with that place.  I love Louisiana to bits, but Southern literature is SO MUCH not my thing.  I had a professor in college who tried to talk me out of this, but really, it&#8217;s ridiculous to try to argue someone out of what they like or don&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>Reading Lolita in Tehran is lovely to read &#8211; I&#8217;m afraid I haven&#8217;t emphasized this enough!  I loved &#8220;listening in&#8221; on her class&#8217;s discussions of the literature they were studying.  Whatever she thinks about the US and Iran and all that, her love of the books is obvious.  And I love them too, so there is a feeling of connection for me.</p>
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		By: Nymeth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I don’t see any problem with her finding refuge in Western literature – it’s a matter of personal taste.&quot;

This is something I&#039;ve been telling people over and over again. I&#039;ve had a few friends get actually angry at me because since my late teens or so I haven&#039;t been reading all that much literature from my own country. This has to do with the fact that I love fantasy, and we don&#039;t really have a fantasy literary tradition (though we do have some lovely Moorish fairy tales). Attempts to create one after the Harry Potter/LOTR movies craze resulted in Tolkien rewrites by eighteen-year-olds being published, which is not exactly the kind of stuff I want to read. People sometimes hold this against me, but I don&#039;t see how my taste in literature automatically makes me a Victim of Cultural Imperialism. 

Anyway...rant over :P I want to know more about Iran, so I&#039;ll read this for sure. I&#039;ll keep in mind that it&#039;s not the whole story, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t see any problem with her finding refuge in Western literature – it’s a matter of personal taste.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is something I&#8217;ve been telling people over and over again. I&#8217;ve had a few friends get actually angry at me because since my late teens or so I haven&#8217;t been reading all that much literature from my own country. This has to do with the fact that I love fantasy, and we don&#8217;t really have a fantasy literary tradition (though we do have some lovely Moorish fairy tales). Attempts to create one after the Harry Potter/LOTR movies craze resulted in Tolkien rewrites by eighteen-year-olds being published, which is not exactly the kind of stuff I want to read. People sometimes hold this against me, but I don&#8217;t see how my taste in literature automatically makes me a Victim of Cultural Imperialism. </p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;rant over 😛 I want to know more about Iran, so I&#8217;ll read this for sure. I&#8217;ll keep in mind that it&#8217;s not the whole story, though.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2009/08/05/reading-lolita-in-tehran-azar-nafisi/#comment-13614&quot;&gt;Jeane&lt;/a&gt;.

I was the exact same way.  Until I read Dabashi&#039;s v. snarky comments about Azar Nafisi that he makes every opportunity he gets, it never really occurred to me to wonder what was being left out (if anything).  However, now I have caught Iranian history obsession like it&#039;s the swine flu, so I have been thinking about Iranian politics a lot more.  America has its flaws, but when I read about countries with governments like this, I am so thankful to live in a country where we have so much freedom.  Seriously, reading these books, I just can&#039;t get over how much freedom we have here.  Crazy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2009/08/05/reading-lolita-in-tehran-azar-nafisi/#comment-13614">Jeane</a>.</p>
<p>I was the exact same way.  Until I read Dabashi&#8217;s v. snarky comments about Azar Nafisi that he makes every opportunity he gets, it never really occurred to me to wonder what was being left out (if anything).  However, now I have caught Iranian history obsession like it&#8217;s the swine flu, so I have been thinking about Iranian politics a lot more.  America has its flaws, but when I read about countries with governments like this, I am so thankful to live in a country where we have so much freedom.  Seriously, reading these books, I just can&#8217;t get over how much freedom we have here.  Crazy.</p>
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		By: Jeane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t really think about any of this stuff while reading the book. I just enjoyed the talk about literary works, and tried to absorb a bit of the Iranian politics and culture the book portrayed. I had no idea at the time how much of it was accurate or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t really think about any of this stuff while reading the book. I just enjoyed the talk about literary works, and tried to absorb a bit of the Iranian politics and culture the book portrayed. I had no idea at the time how much of it was accurate or not.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2009/08/05/reading-lolita-in-tehran-azar-nafisi/#comment-13612&quot;&gt;Schatzi&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, I agree with you of course - their story and voice are the most important things!  But I&#039;m just imagining if someone had written a memoir about Katrina that implied that New Orleans was all better now.  That&#039;s the closest parallel I can think of to Dabashi&#039;s gripe with Nafisi - he&#039;s angry because she&#039;s saying what (he thinks) the country wants to hear, and (he thinks) providing a justification for the country to carry on with its hostile policies towards Iran.  If someone were to write a book that implied what I know many people would prefer to think about post-Katrina New Orleans - that it&#039;s essentially all better and the people who are still struggling are just whiners looking for more government handouts - that might be their experience but I would consider it insulting, untrue, and harmful to the situation.  And I would wonder why they were saying something so obviously false about Louisiana, and political expediency might be something that would occur to me, particularly if they had close ties with FEMA as (Dabashi claims) Nafisi has with American neocons.

That isn&#039;t a very good parallel!  But I&#039;ve just been thinking a lot about it.  When there&#039;s a difficult situation whose successful resolution is deeply, personally important to you, I can see how it would be really frustrating to have someone espouse an easier-to-swallow (but simplistic) view, and then have it be super duper popular in book clubs all over the country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2009/08/05/reading-lolita-in-tehran-azar-nafisi/#comment-13612">Schatzi</a>.</p>
<p>Well, I agree with you of course &#8211; their story and voice are the most important things!  But I&#8217;m just imagining if someone had written a memoir about Katrina that implied that New Orleans was all better now.  That&#8217;s the closest parallel I can think of to Dabashi&#8217;s gripe with Nafisi &#8211; he&#8217;s angry because she&#8217;s saying what (he thinks) the country wants to hear, and (he thinks) providing a justification for the country to carry on with its hostile policies towards Iran.  If someone were to write a book that implied what I know many people would prefer to think about post-Katrina New Orleans &#8211; that it&#8217;s essentially all better and the people who are still struggling are just whiners looking for more government handouts &#8211; that might be their experience but I would consider it insulting, untrue, and harmful to the situation.  And I would wonder why they were saying something so obviously false about Louisiana, and political expediency might be something that would occur to me, particularly if they had close ties with FEMA as (Dabashi claims) Nafisi has with American neocons.</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t a very good parallel!  But I&#8217;ve just been thinking a lot about it.  When there&#8217;s a difficult situation whose successful resolution is deeply, personally important to you, I can see how it would be really frustrating to have someone espouse an easier-to-swallow (but simplistic) view, and then have it be super duper popular in book clubs all over the country.</p>
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		By: Schatzi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I definitely don&#039;t recall thinking MY GOD WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR?  WE MUST INVADE IRAN INSTANTLY after I read RLiT. But I was pretty out of it at the time; I could have missed something. 

I don&#039;t believe memoirists/non-ficiton writers/or any writers, really, should tailor what they write to political climate. Doing so puts them at risk for losing an element of truth or honesty, or obscuring their voice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely don&#8217;t recall thinking MY GOD WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR?  WE MUST INVADE IRAN INSTANTLY after I read RLiT. But I was pretty out of it at the time; I could have missed something. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe memoirists/non-ficiton writers/or any writers, really, should tailor what they write to political climate. Doing so puts them at risk for losing an element of truth or honesty, or obscuring their voice.</p>
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