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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9219&quot;&gt;Carol&lt;/a&gt;.

Pratchett&#039;s got oodles of American fans, so I&#039;m not sure the &quot;culturally specific&quot; explanation accounts for it. I &quot;got&quot; a lot of the things from your link when I was reading--I was fond of ballads, particularly ones about fairies, so those references were not lost on me. I think it&#039;s less that I&#039;m missing a majority of the jokes, and more that Pratchett isn&#039;t my particular sense of humor. There&#039;s something rather self-conscious about it, and instead of thinking about how naturally funny it all is, I notice that Pratchett&#039;s being funny. But like I said, I&#039;ve only read one or two of his books, and I may like future ones better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9219">Carol</a>.</p>
<p>Pratchett&#8217;s got oodles of American fans, so I&#8217;m not sure the &#8220;culturally specific&#8221; explanation accounts for it. I &#8220;got&#8221; a lot of the things from your link when I was reading&#8211;I was fond of ballads, particularly ones about fairies, so those references were not lost on me. I think it&#8217;s less that I&#8217;m missing a majority of the jokes, and more that Pratchett isn&#8217;t my particular sense of humor. There&#8217;s something rather self-conscious about it, and instead of thinking about how naturally funny it all is, I notice that Pratchett&#8217;s being funny. But like I said, I&#8217;ve only read one or two of his books, and I may like future ones better.</p>
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		By: Carol		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9192&quot;&gt;Trapunto&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m actually surprised that Americans can understand Pratchett at all, because so much of the humour is culturally-specific.  I&#039;m a Brit now living in Canada.  I would dispute that his humour relies on irony - it&#039;s part of it, but for me it&#039;s more to do with the rich cultural and literary references which allow the works to be read on so many levels.  The more levels you understand, the more you &#039;get&#039; the humour.

The mainstream Discworld novels are many-layered - they can be enjoyed on a surface level by young adults, but I well recall that when I read a book report my son did in Jr High on a Pratchett book, he&#039;d entirely missed the more subtle levels such as in-jokes referring to Chekhov&#039;s plays, political allegory and cultural references that just went over the head of someone who&#039;d spent most of his life in North America (and I suspect go entirely unrecognized by many devoted Pratchett readers on both sides of the Atlantic).  But that&#039;s OK - he still enjoyed the books reading on the level he could comprehend - but in a few years he may find himself enjoying the books on a totally different level.

In terms of the Tiffany Aching books, they&#039;re aimed at Young Adults so you&#039;ll find fewer literary allusions - but the cultural and linguistic references are very deeply layered.  For me, half the pleasure in these books is the little jolt of recognition when I encounter something based on folklore, linguistics, history or whatever.  You might have fun looking at some of the notes on the Wee Free Men on the L-space Web (a Pratchett fan site) where folks have amused themselves by providing illuminating &#039;footnotes&#039; to some of the references. http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/the-wee-free-men.html
I&#039;d be interested to know how much of that stuff you &#039;got&#039; at the time you were reading the book.

Of course, you may well read it and then think &#039;So what?  I still don&#039;t find that interesting/funny&#039; but it might give you a better idea of what other people find funny/intriguing in his work.  Sense of humour is a deeply personal thing, and sometimes things which are so deeply culturally specific just don&#039;t &#039;translate&#039; well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9192">Trapunto</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually surprised that Americans can understand Pratchett at all, because so much of the humour is culturally-specific.  I&#8217;m a Brit now living in Canada.  I would dispute that his humour relies on irony &#8211; it&#8217;s part of it, but for me it&#8217;s more to do with the rich cultural and literary references which allow the works to be read on so many levels.  The more levels you understand, the more you &#8216;get&#8217; the humour.</p>
<p>The mainstream Discworld novels are many-layered &#8211; they can be enjoyed on a surface level by young adults, but I well recall that when I read a book report my son did in Jr High on a Pratchett book, he&#8217;d entirely missed the more subtle levels such as in-jokes referring to Chekhov&#8217;s plays, political allegory and cultural references that just went over the head of someone who&#8217;d spent most of his life in North America (and I suspect go entirely unrecognized by many devoted Pratchett readers on both sides of the Atlantic).  But that&#8217;s OK &#8211; he still enjoyed the books reading on the level he could comprehend &#8211; but in a few years he may find himself enjoying the books on a totally different level.</p>
<p>In terms of the Tiffany Aching books, they&#8217;re aimed at Young Adults so you&#8217;ll find fewer literary allusions &#8211; but the cultural and linguistic references are very deeply layered.  For me, half the pleasure in these books is the little jolt of recognition when I encounter something based on folklore, linguistics, history or whatever.  You might have fun looking at some of the notes on the Wee Free Men on the L-space Web (a Pratchett fan site) where folks have amused themselves by providing illuminating &#8216;footnotes&#8217; to some of the references. <a href="http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/the-wee-free-men.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/the-wee-free-men.html</a><br />
I&#8217;d be interested to know how much of that stuff you &#8216;got&#8217; at the time you were reading the book.</p>
<p>Of course, you may well read it and then think &#8216;So what?  I still don&#8217;t find that interesting/funny&#8217; but it might give you a better idea of what other people find funny/intriguing in his work.  Sense of humour is a deeply personal thing, and sometimes things which are so deeply culturally specific just don&#8217;t &#8216;translate&#8217; well.</p>
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		By: rockinlibrarian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rockinlibrarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just noticed your Books I&#039;ve Read link. As it happens this IS one of my favorites, but I won&#039;t hurt you! But if you&#039;re still looking for more Terry Pratchett so as to give him another chance, might I recommend &lt;i&gt;Nation&lt;/i&gt;? It&#039;s not a Discworld book, so it doesn&#039;t outright try to be funny (it is sometimes; but it&#039;s also sad-- I was reading it at work and found myself getting all weepy, which isn&#039;t good at work), but I thought it was wonderful in every way. It might be more your speed. 

Then, if you WANT to give more Discworld books a try, go with the later ones rather than the early ones-- the early ones are more outright spoofy (and the first couple among the most uneven books in my opinion). &lt;i&gt;Night Watch&lt;/i&gt; is a favorite of mine. As for the rest of the Tiffany books, I personally DIDN&#039;T like Hat Full of Sky as much as Wee Free Men, but Wintersmith I loved almost as much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just noticed your Books I&#8217;ve Read link. As it happens this IS one of my favorites, but I won&#8217;t hurt you! But if you&#8217;re still looking for more Terry Pratchett so as to give him another chance, might I recommend <i>Nation</i>? It&#8217;s not a Discworld book, so it doesn&#8217;t outright try to be funny (it is sometimes; but it&#8217;s also sad&#8211; I was reading it at work and found myself getting all weepy, which isn&#8217;t good at work), but I thought it was wonderful in every way. It might be more your speed. </p>
<p>Then, if you WANT to give more Discworld books a try, go with the later ones rather than the early ones&#8211; the early ones are more outright spoofy (and the first couple among the most uneven books in my opinion). <i>Night Watch</i> is a favorite of mine. As for the rest of the Tiffany books, I personally DIDN&#8217;T like Hat Full of Sky as much as Wee Free Men, but Wintersmith I loved almost as much.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 18:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9216&quot;&gt;darla d&lt;/a&gt;.

I hope so too!  I may try some more Terry Pratchett, though, because I want to give him a fair chance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9216">darla d</a>.</p>
<p>I hope so too!  I may try some more Terry Pratchett, though, because I want to give him a fair chance.</p>
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		By: darla d		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[darla d]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 20:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, so sorry to hear that.  It is one of my favorites, but of course every book isn&#039;t a good fit for everyone.  The build-up can also be too much - expectations can make a reading experience (or film, etc.) deadly!  I hope the challenge turns around for you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so sorry to hear that.  It is one of my favorites, but of course every book isn&#8217;t a good fit for everyone.  The build-up can also be too much &#8211; expectations can make a reading experience (or film, etc.) deadly!  I hope the challenge turns around for you!</p>
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		By: Erin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, that was exactly my issue with every Pratchett (and indeed, Gaiman) book that I have tried to read. I *want* to like them, but I just... don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, that was exactly my issue with every Pratchett (and indeed, Gaiman) book that I have tried to read. I *want* to like them, but I just&#8230; don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9212&quot;&gt;Jeanne&lt;/a&gt;.

Indeed?  Well, there goes my theory.  Obviously lumping humorists in together when they don&#039;t belong together then. :/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9212">Jeanne</a>.</p>
<p>Indeed?  Well, there goes my theory.  Obviously lumping humorists in together when they don&#8217;t belong together then. :/</p>
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		By: trapunto		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[trapunto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9204&quot;&gt;Jenny&lt;/a&gt;.

I heard that song so much. It played all first semester my Freshman year of college.  Ouch. Pain. Please knock me out with a mallet to end the associated flashbacks.

The secret initiates-only irony is the lack of irony in a song called &quot;Ironic.&quot; 

Have you seen the drunk cooking one yet?  I can&#039;t remember which DVD it was on...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9204">Jenny</a>.</p>
<p>I heard that song so much. It played all first semester my Freshman year of college.  Ouch. Pain. Please knock me out with a mallet to end the associated flashbacks.</p>
<p>The secret initiates-only irony is the lack of irony in a song called &#8220;Ironic.&#8221; </p>
<p>Have you seen the drunk cooking one yet?  I can&#8217;t remember which DVD it was on&#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m one of the biggest Douglas Adams fans you&#039;ll ever find, and I don&#039;t agree that Pratchett and Robbins are similar.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of the biggest Douglas Adams fans you&#8217;ll ever find, and I don&#8217;t agree that Pratchett and Robbins are similar.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9199&quot;&gt;Fence&lt;/a&gt;.

Do you have a favorite of his standalones?  I&#039;m willing to read at least three of his books before giving up, so supposing A Hat Full of Sky disappoints me, what would you recommend?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2010/04/26/review-the-wee-free-men-terry-pratchett/#comment-9199">Fence</a>.</p>
<p>Do you have a favorite of his standalones?  I&#8217;m willing to read at least three of his books before giving up, so supposing A Hat Full of Sky disappoints me, what would you recommend?</p>
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