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		By: Larry Coleman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Coleman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, Jenny, as I look back on my comment, I see it as sterner than I intended or felt.  So I apologize for that.

I did recognize your putting &quot;absolutely nothing&quot; in italics sent a message, but I thought, and still think, that the message was/is that you were signaling - not that the following comment was tongue in cheek and humorous - but that you were serious.  That, at least, is what I would mean by such syntax.  In that reading the humor would be that the reader should reverse the meaning of the phrase.  Then, by continuing along that line with, 

&quot;And I haven’t read Troubles, the winner of the Lost Booker Prize, but I have read The Siege of Krishnapur, and I’ve read Mary Renault’s Fire from Heaven, and I thought Fire from Heaven was better,&quot;

you reinforce the reader&#039;s conclusion (confusion?) that you are in fact serious, and that my interpretation is corroborated.  I read and re-read that paragraph looking for evidence that I was wrong in my understanding.  I&#039;m sorry for getting it wrong nonetheless.

Without getting into why I think the critique deepened over the course of the book - for a devastating statement see the final chapter eg - I do think the critique was deep, which is the important thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jenny, as I look back on my comment, I see it as sterner than I intended or felt.  So I apologize for that.</p>
<p>I did recognize your putting &#8220;absolutely nothing&#8221; in italics sent a message, but I thought, and still think, that the message was/is that you were signaling &#8211; not that the following comment was tongue in cheek and humorous &#8211; but that you were serious.  That, at least, is what I would mean by such syntax.  In that reading the humor would be that the reader should reverse the meaning of the phrase.  Then, by continuing along that line with, </p>
<p>&#8220;And I haven’t read Troubles, the winner of the Lost Booker Prize, but I have read The Siege of Krishnapur, and I’ve read Mary Renault’s Fire from Heaven, and I thought Fire from Heaven was better,&#8221;</p>
<p>you reinforce the reader&#8217;s conclusion (confusion?) that you are in fact serious, and that my interpretation is corroborated.  I read and re-read that paragraph looking for evidence that I was wrong in my understanding.  I&#8217;m sorry for getting it wrong nonetheless.</p>
<p>Without getting into why I think the critique deepened over the course of the book &#8211; for a devastating statement see the final chapter eg &#8211; I do think the critique was deep, which is the important thing.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2010/12/13/review-the-siege-of-krishnapur-j-g-farrell/#comment-3606&quot;&gt;Larry Coleman&lt;/a&gt;.

Goodness, you read my post as being very critical -- more critical, in fact, than I think it actually was. What bothered me about the book was that Farrell sets out with a particular cast of characters, and a particular view of empire, and neither the characters nor the critique develop over the course of the book. The characters were funny and pathetic and exquisitively well-drawn, but they were the same people on the last page as on the first. Better character development would have made it a stronger book, in my opinion.

I did and do think that the critique of empire fails to deepen over the course of the book. Devastating, yes, but it didn&#039;t feel layered to me, the way it did to you. I expect that&#039;s just a function of our being different readers and bringing different things to the book.

The Mary Renault paragraph was a joke (mostly a joke -- kidding on the square, I believe they call it?). I signaled it as a joke by introducing it with jokey italics. It had occurred to me, as I was writing the post, that my mild resentment of Farrell for winning over Mary Renault might have given me a subconscious bias against The Siege of Krishnapur as I was reading it. So I was poking fun at myself for that. The point of the joke was (a) to disclose this bias that may have colored my reading of Siege; and (b) to highlight the absurdity of the bias by phrasing its disclosure in a way that played up how utterly ill-founded it was.

(I realize you are probably sitting there thinking, That&#039;s not funny at all!, which, yes, it wasn&#039;t that funny to start with, and now that I&#039;ve explained it really painstakingly, it is zero funny. But it was a little bit funny when I did it.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2010/12/13/review-the-siege-of-krishnapur-j-g-farrell/#comment-3606">Larry Coleman</a>.</p>
<p>Goodness, you read my post as being very critical &#8212; more critical, in fact, than I think it actually was. What bothered me about the book was that Farrell sets out with a particular cast of characters, and a particular view of empire, and neither the characters nor the critique develop over the course of the book. The characters were funny and pathetic and exquisitively well-drawn, but they were the same people on the last page as on the first. Better character development would have made it a stronger book, in my opinion.</p>
<p>I did and do think that the critique of empire fails to deepen over the course of the book. Devastating, yes, but it didn&#8217;t feel layered to me, the way it did to you. I expect that&#8217;s just a function of our being different readers and bringing different things to the book.</p>
<p>The Mary Renault paragraph was a joke (mostly a joke &#8212; kidding on the square, I believe they call it?). I signaled it as a joke by introducing it with jokey italics. It had occurred to me, as I was writing the post, that my mild resentment of Farrell for winning over Mary Renault might have given me a subconscious bias against The Siege of Krishnapur as I was reading it. So I was poking fun at myself for that. The point of the joke was (a) to disclose this bias that may have colored my reading of Siege; and (b) to highlight the absurdity of the bias by phrasing its disclosure in a way that played up how utterly ill-founded it was.</p>
<p>(I realize you are probably sitting there thinking, That&#8217;s not funny at all!, which, yes, it wasn&#8217;t that funny to start with, and now that I&#8217;ve explained it really painstakingly, it is zero funny. But it was a little bit funny when I did it.)</p>
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		By: Larry Coleman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Coleman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to disagree with much of your review.  First, is it fair to criticize a book for not being the book you think it should have been?  You could write that book.  

This refers of course to the claim that the book is &quot;almost solely through the eyes of the Europeans.&quot; Not really true in any case.  The attitudes of the Indians comes thru strongly on virtually every page.  Not explicitly, but certainly by indirection.  This is, after all, literature.

I do not understand why you would say that &quot;The critique of empire and its creations was there throughout, but it didn’t deepen over the course of the book.&quot;  I saw level after level revealed as the siege progressed. It was almost as if I were watching an archeological excavation. By the end the critique of Empire was utterly devastating.

Finally, I was stunned by your assertion that &quot;Mary Renault, and not J.G. Farrell, should have won the Lost Booker Prize. J.G. Farrell already won one! And I haven’t read Troubles, the winner of the Lost Booker Prize, but I have read The Siege of Krishnapur, and I’ve read Mary Renault’s Fire from Heaven, and I thought Fire from Heaven was better.&quot;

Geez!  What does whether Farrell has already won a Booker have anything to do with whether Troubles was the best of 1970?!  Has critical judgment become a thing of fairness rather than quality?  And how can you compare Fire to Siege and conclude that Fire is better than Troubles, which you have not even read?  I don&#039;t understand any of this.

You owe your readers better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with much of your review.  First, is it fair to criticize a book for not being the book you think it should have been?  You could write that book.  </p>
<p>This refers of course to the claim that the book is &#8220;almost solely through the eyes of the Europeans.&#8221; Not really true in any case.  The attitudes of the Indians comes thru strongly on virtually every page.  Not explicitly, but certainly by indirection.  This is, after all, literature.</p>
<p>I do not understand why you would say that &#8220;The critique of empire and its creations was there throughout, but it didn’t deepen over the course of the book.&#8221;  I saw level after level revealed as the siege progressed. It was almost as if I were watching an archeological excavation. By the end the critique of Empire was utterly devastating.</p>
<p>Finally, I was stunned by your assertion that &#8220;Mary Renault, and not J.G. Farrell, should have won the Lost Booker Prize. J.G. Farrell already won one! And I haven’t read Troubles, the winner of the Lost Booker Prize, but I have read The Siege of Krishnapur, and I’ve read Mary Renault’s Fire from Heaven, and I thought Fire from Heaven was better.&#8221;</p>
<p>Geez!  What does whether Farrell has already won a Booker have anything to do with whether Troubles was the best of 1970?!  Has critical judgment become a thing of fairness rather than quality?  And how can you compare Fire to Siege and conclude that Fire is better than Troubles, which you have not even read?  I don&#8217;t understand any of this.</p>
<p>You owe your readers better.</p>
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		By: Vishy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting review, Jenny! Have you read &#039;Nighrunners of Bengal&#039; by John Masters? It is also set during the 1857 rebellion. Also have you read &#039;One Last Look&#039; by Susanna Moore? This is set during a period before the 1857 rebellion and is a novel based on real events and the main character is transformed considerably by her experience of India.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting review, Jenny! Have you read &#8216;Nighrunners of Bengal&#8217; by John Masters? It is also set during the 1857 rebellion. Also have you read &#8216;One Last Look&#8217; by Susanna Moore? This is set during a period before the 1857 rebellion and is a novel based on real events and the main character is transformed considerably by her experience of India.</p>
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		By: J.G.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I loved this one all the way through, although I recognize the validity of your point on the lack of character growth.

Now I need to get cracking and write my review, to explain myself further.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I loved this one all the way through, although I recognize the validity of your point on the lack of character growth.</p>
<p>Now I need to get cracking and write my review, to explain myself further.</p>
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		By: Ela		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 23:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;The Siege of Krishnapur&#039; is on my to be read list, but goodness knows when I&#039;ll get round to it! I do enjoy books set in British-era India - have you read any of M. M. Kaye&#039;s historicals? &#039;The Far Pavilions&#039; is her famous one, but I prefer &#039;Shadow of the Moon&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The Siege of Krishnapur&#8217; is on my to be read list, but goodness knows when I&#8217;ll get round to it! I do enjoy books set in British-era India &#8211; have you read any of M. M. Kaye&#8217;s historicals? &#8216;The Far Pavilions&#8217; is her famous one, but I prefer &#8216;Shadow of the Moon&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2010/12/13/review-the-siege-of-krishnapur-j-g-farrell/#comment-3592&quot;&gt;Christy&lt;/a&gt;.

Me too! All the time! I am always trying to think of ways to save myself time and effort and misery later on, and it&#039;s lovely when one of my schemes pans out. :p]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2010/12/13/review-the-siege-of-krishnapur-j-g-farrell/#comment-3592">Christy</a>.</p>
<p>Me too! All the time! I am always trying to think of ways to save myself time and effort and misery later on, and it&#8217;s lovely when one of my schemes pans out. :p</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2010/12/13/review-the-siege-of-krishnapur-j-g-farrell/#comment-3591&quot;&gt;laughingstars66&lt;/a&gt;.

But that may be just me, and may definitely have something to do with the fact that the plot wasn&#039;t very exciting. You&#039;d think a book about a battle would be interesting! Alas, no. So I had to put all my eggs in the character-development basket, and that didn&#039;t work out for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2010/12/13/review-the-siege-of-krishnapur-j-g-farrell/#comment-3591">laughingstars66</a>.</p>
<p>But that may be just me, and may definitely have something to do with the fact that the plot wasn&#8217;t very exciting. You&#8217;d think a book about a battle would be interesting! Alas, no. So I had to put all my eggs in the character-development basket, and that didn&#8217;t work out for me.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2010/12/13/review-the-siege-of-krishnapur-j-g-farrell/#comment-3590&quot;&gt;Janakay&lt;/a&gt;.

Troubles is better, you say? Okay, well, when I try again with Farrell, and I probably will because he made me smile and I like colonial encounters stories, I&#039;ll try Troubles.

I love The Charioteer so, so, so much. So few people have read it! I tried to make my mother and sister read it, and they both thought it was boring. Very sad for me. I&#039;m glad you liked it too! It&#039;s probably my favorite Renault book, in spite of the not-nice way she portrays effeminate men. The writing is so beautiful and the subtext so gorgeously tense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2010/12/13/review-the-siege-of-krishnapur-j-g-farrell/#comment-3590">Janakay</a>.</p>
<p>Troubles is better, you say? Okay, well, when I try again with Farrell, and I probably will because he made me smile and I like colonial encounters stories, I&#8217;ll try Troubles.</p>
<p>I love The Charioteer so, so, so much. So few people have read it! I tried to make my mother and sister read it, and they both thought it was boring. Very sad for me. I&#8217;m glad you liked it too! It&#8217;s probably my favorite Renault book, in spite of the not-nice way she portrays effeminate men. The writing is so beautiful and the subtext so gorgeously tense.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2010/12/13/review-the-siege-of-krishnapur-j-g-farrell/#comment-3589&quot;&gt;Shelley&lt;/a&gt;.

Hahaha, you and Jill have a grim view of humanity! :p]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2010/12/13/review-the-siege-of-krishnapur-j-g-farrell/#comment-3589">Shelley</a>.</p>
<p>Hahaha, you and Jill have a grim view of humanity! :p</p>
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