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		By: Review: Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief, Lawrence Wright &#124; Jenny&#039;s Books		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] talked recently about trusting nonfiction authors, and Eva said in a comment that she much prefers reading [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] talked recently about trusting nonfiction authors, and Eva said in a comment that she much prefers reading [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Patty Sessions		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty Sessions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-333&quot;&gt;Jenny&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I agree.  A writer *should* get the details right.  Nobody&#039;s perfect, but all he had to do in this case was do some very basic fact-checking.  It reads like he had a vague memory of some stuff that he half-learned once and he just wrote it down anyhow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-333">Jenny</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I agree.  A writer *should* get the details right.  Nobody&#8217;s perfect, but all he had to do in this case was do some very basic fact-checking.  It reads like he had a vague memory of some stuff that he half-learned once and he just wrote it down anyhow.</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-330&quot;&gt;Eva&lt;/a&gt;.

1. Malcolm Gladwell is the worst.

2. Yes! I have that same dilemma! And also because if I&#039;m unfamiliar with the topic, I sometimes am not ready for a researcher&#039;s take on it. I need something slightly more introductory that isn&#039;t assuming any knowledge on my part. It&#039;s a dilemma. I have yet to resolve it.

3. You are awesome. Please write an entire post. I love all your red flags. I agree with you like crazy. When a nonfiction book doesn&#039;t have a bibliography I just can&#039;t even. Unless it&#039;s, like, collected essays in which case FINE (but I&#039;d still rather have a bibliography and a bunch of notes).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-330">Eva</a>.</p>
<p>1. Malcolm Gladwell is the worst.</p>
<p>2. Yes! I have that same dilemma! And also because if I&#8217;m unfamiliar with the topic, I sometimes am not ready for a researcher&#8217;s take on it. I need something slightly more introductory that isn&#8217;t assuming any knowledge on my part. It&#8217;s a dilemma. I have yet to resolve it.</p>
<p>3. You are awesome. Please write an entire post. I love all your red flags. I agree with you like crazy. When a nonfiction book doesn&#8217;t have a bibliography I just can&#8217;t even. Unless it&#8217;s, like, collected essays in which case FINE (but I&#8217;d still rather have a bibliography and a bunch of notes).</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
		<link>https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-333</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-329&quot;&gt;Patty Sessions&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh what a shame! I think it makes a big difference to me when an author bothers to do proper research into a side issue. That shows that they aren&#039;t JUST interested in the main topic of their book, but that it&#039;s important to them to get all the things right. You know?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-329">Patty Sessions</a>.</p>
<p>Oh what a shame! I think it makes a big difference to me when an author bothers to do proper research into a side issue. That shows that they aren&#8217;t JUST interested in the main topic of their book, but that it&#8217;s important to them to get all the things right. You know?</p>
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		By: Charlotte		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlotte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-327&quot;&gt;Jenny&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-327">Jenny</a>.</p>
<p>Ah.</p>
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		By: Eva		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-316&quot;&gt;Jenny&lt;/a&gt;.

Internal hyperlinking is easy! And it works on any blogging platform because it&#039;s HTML. I lurve internal links. :D

Make sure you&#039;re in the HTML editing window, not the visual one. Where you want the link to end up, type [a name=&quot;X&quot;] text [/a] (replace the [ ] with  and X with whatever you want; text is wherever you want the link to end up, it could also be an image). Then, to make the link, type [a href=&quot;#X&quot;] link [/a] (replace [ ] with  and X with whatever you used earlier, don&#039;t forget the # sign!).

I suspect my explanation makes it sound more complicated than it is. So here&#039;s an example from my review directory page, in which I have internal links to the different letters:

At the top of the page, where I have links to all the letters:
[a href=&quot;#A&quot;]A[/a]
At the &#039;A&#039; section, where I want link to end up:
[a name=&quot;A&quot;][/a]

I only used [ ] instead of  so you could see the code instead of it getting converted in the comment box. ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-316">Jenny</a>.</p>
<p>Internal hyperlinking is easy! And it works on any blogging platform because it&#8217;s HTML. I lurve internal links. 😀</p>
<p>Make sure you&#8217;re in the HTML editing window, not the visual one. Where you want the link to end up, type [a name=&#8221;X&#8221;] text [/a] (replace the [ ] with  and X with whatever you want; text is wherever you want the link to end up, it could also be an image). Then, to make the link, type [a href=&#8221;#X&#8221;] link [/a] (replace [ ] with  and X with whatever you used earlier, don&#8217;t forget the # sign!).</p>
<p>I suspect my explanation makes it sound more complicated than it is. So here&#8217;s an example from my review directory page, in which I have internal links to the different letters:</p>
<p>At the top of the page, where I have links to all the letters:<br />
[a href=&#8221;#A&#8221;]A[/a]<br />
At the &#8216;A&#8217; section, where I want link to end up:<br />
[a name=&#8221;A&#8221;][/a]</p>
<p>I only used [ ] instead of  so you could see the code instead of it getting converted in the comment box. 😉</p>
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		By: Eva		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1) Citing Malcolm Gladwell is the kiss of doom for me. Right up there with quoting &#039;Tom Friedman&#039; (as a book I recently read kept doing).

2) &quot;I get that Hvistendahl isn’t a researcher; she’s a journalist. She cites like a journalist and not like a researcher. But still I was left with a lingering, pervasive feeling of unease.&quot; --&#062; I have such an instinctive preference for researcher-style nonfiction. Even knowing the flaws/biases of academia, I find it so much more solid and convincing than journalist stuff. I want peer reviewed nonfiction! But then, I also want perspectives from outside The Establishment. It&#039;s tricky.

3) Has this happened to you before? What red flags make you think a nonfiction author may not be trustable? Do the red flags differ if you’re reading a book by a journalist versus a researcher?

Red flags for me include: direct dialogue w/o any explanation for how the author recorded/remembers it, nonfiction written with other fiction conventions, like present tense, a person&#039;s inner dialogue, etc. (I&#039;m in the middle of the Warmth of Other Suns right now and have to keep reminding myself the point is that it&#039;s an oral history project and thus should be seen as more third person memoir than nonfiction), massive generalisations that just happen to match current widespread stereotypes, a subtitle with the word &#039;rogue&#039; in it (do not get me started on the nonsense that is Freakonomics), lack of any end notes, bibliography, etc., when I keep checking the citations and they&#039;re all from the same two or three sources, authors who keep committing logical fallacies (I was a debater in high school, so we had to memorise all of them &#038; list/detect examples; it&#039;s engrained in me now), and academics who clearly subscribe to the dominant paradigm (see: neoliberal economics) and never address that, just taking it for granted that it&#039;s right.

Um, that&#039;s a short list and already this comment is out of control! I think I might have to write a blog post in response.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Citing Malcolm Gladwell is the kiss of doom for me. Right up there with quoting &#8216;Tom Friedman&#8217; (as a book I recently read kept doing).</p>
<p>2) &#8220;I get that Hvistendahl isn’t a researcher; she’s a journalist. She cites like a journalist and not like a researcher. But still I was left with a lingering, pervasive feeling of unease.&#8221; &#8211;&gt; I have such an instinctive preference for researcher-style nonfiction. Even knowing the flaws/biases of academia, I find it so much more solid and convincing than journalist stuff. I want peer reviewed nonfiction! But then, I also want perspectives from outside The Establishment. It&#8217;s tricky.</p>
<p>3) Has this happened to you before? What red flags make you think a nonfiction author may not be trustable? Do the red flags differ if you’re reading a book by a journalist versus a researcher?</p>
<p>Red flags for me include: direct dialogue w/o any explanation for how the author recorded/remembers it, nonfiction written with other fiction conventions, like present tense, a person&#8217;s inner dialogue, etc. (I&#8217;m in the middle of the Warmth of Other Suns right now and have to keep reminding myself the point is that it&#8217;s an oral history project and thus should be seen as more third person memoir than nonfiction), massive generalisations that just happen to match current widespread stereotypes, a subtitle with the word &#8216;rogue&#8217; in it (do not get me started on the nonsense that is Freakonomics), lack of any end notes, bibliography, etc., when I keep checking the citations and they&#8217;re all from the same two or three sources, authors who keep committing logical fallacies (I was a debater in high school, so we had to memorise all of them &amp; list/detect examples; it&#8217;s engrained in me now), and academics who clearly subscribe to the dominant paradigm (see: neoliberal economics) and never address that, just taking it for granted that it&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>Um, that&#8217;s a short list and already this comment is out of control! I think I might have to write a blog post in response.</p>
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		By: Patty Sessions		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty Sessions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, now I&#039;m in the same boat.  I&#039;m reading a popular science book about DNA (The Violinist&#039;s Thumb), and enjoying it pretty well--or at least I WAS.  I came across a footnote that happened to address a topic I actually know something about--LDS theology.  The footnote crammed an amazing number of mistakes into its single paragraph.  Heck, one PHRASE contained 3 errors.  I&#039;m sure the author considered it to be a side issue, and I sure hope he did better research into his actual topic of how DNA works.  But my trust in him is now utterly crushed.

This sort of thing makes me quote Kermit the Frog: &quot;You know, it&#039;s amazing.  You are 100% wrong.  I mean, nothing you&#039;ve said has been right.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now I&#8217;m in the same boat.  I&#8217;m reading a popular science book about DNA (The Violinist&#8217;s Thumb), and enjoying it pretty well&#8211;or at least I WAS.  I came across a footnote that happened to address a topic I actually know something about&#8211;LDS theology.  The footnote crammed an amazing number of mistakes into its single paragraph.  Heck, one PHRASE contained 3 errors.  I&#8217;m sure the author considered it to be a side issue, and I sure hope he did better research into his actual topic of how DNA works.  But my trust in him is now utterly crushed.</p>
<p>This sort of thing makes me quote Kermit the Frog: &#8220;You know, it&#8217;s amazing.  You are 100% wrong.  I mean, nothing you&#8217;ve said has been right.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 01:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-315&quot;&gt;Amy @ My Friend Amy&lt;/a&gt;.

This post is why I don&#039;t read as much nonfiction as I&#039;d like. :p]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-315">Amy @ My Friend Amy</a>.</p>
<p>This post is why I don&#8217;t read as much nonfiction as I&#8217;d like. :p</p>
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		By: Jenny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 01:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-314&quot;&gt;Charlotte&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh yes. Hvistendahl does talk about that. But she also says that this phenomenon is largely taking place amongst middle-class, less conservative families where the women do have a higher level of control of their own lives. She doesn&#039;t suggest this is because lower-class families wouldn&#039;t select for boys, it&#039;s just because the middle- and upper-class families are the ones that have easy access to that technology right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2013/01/21/review-unnatural-selection-mara-hvistendahl-or-trusting-nonfiction-authors/#comment-314">Charlotte</a>.</p>
<p>Oh yes. Hvistendahl does talk about that. But she also says that this phenomenon is largely taking place amongst middle-class, less conservative families where the women do have a higher level of control of their own lives. She doesn&#8217;t suggest this is because lower-class families wouldn&#8217;t select for boys, it&#8217;s just because the middle- and upper-class families are the ones that have easy access to that technology right now.</p>
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