Comments on: Wilkie in Winter, Epoch the Second: MARIAN https://readingtheend.com/2014/02/10/wilkie-in-winter-epoch-the-second-marian/ before I read the middle Sun, 16 Feb 2014 16:03:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2 By: Care https://readingtheend.com/2014/02/10/wilkie-in-winter-epoch-the-second-marian/#comment-17741 Sun, 16 Feb 2014 16:03:31 +0000 http://readingtheend.com/?p=5193#comment-17741 Love the post, love the comments. More, please.

]]> By: Ela https://readingtheend.com/2014/02/10/wilkie-in-winter-epoch-the-second-marian/#comment-17726 Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:23:30 +0000 http://readingtheend.com/?p=5193#comment-17726 I need to re-read ‘The Woman In White’ because I have forgotten most of the story except how awesome Marian is (and how astonishingly appealing Count Fosco is in his unapologetic, moustache-twirling nefariousness. I like a man who can acknowledge his opponents’ strength).

And thanks for your fantastic post!

]]> By: Helen https://readingtheend.com/2014/02/10/wilkie-in-winter-epoch-the-second-marian/#comment-17720 Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:29:06 +0000 http://readingtheend.com/?p=5193#comment-17720 In reply to Gin Jenny.

A guilt spiral! I love it. I know you weren’t trying to make me feel bad – you never seem remotely to be that sort of person. And I should lighten up sometimes!

]]> By: Alice https://readingtheend.com/2014/02/10/wilkie-in-winter-epoch-the-second-marian/#comment-17716 Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:18:21 +0000 http://readingtheend.com/?p=5193#comment-17716 “[…] but legitimately: her extreme goodness is the only quality she possesses.”
Agreed! I liked Marion – even thought she hates women too. Laura is the most useless character literature has ever given me. She is just an object of which the story can revolve.

I can’t even bring myself to blame Laura, because Wilkie former her that way, formed her without will or personality. She is a pretty face, soulless drone, dead behind the eyes…. I could go on.

(Wonderful blog though :D)

]]> By: Victoria (Eve's Alexandria) https://readingtheend.com/2014/02/10/wilkie-in-winter-epoch-the-second-marian/#comment-17714 Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:44:50 +0000 http://readingtheend.com/?p=5193#comment-17714 This pretty much made my day. Marian is genius! I sort of felt like Collins made the comparison between her and Laura so stark as a comment on the angel in the house trope. Shaming the majority into seeing the error of their female characterising ways. Look what you could have instead, etc etc. Dickens obviously didn’t get the message…

]]> By: Words for Worms https://readingtheend.com/2014/02/10/wilkie-in-winter-epoch-the-second-marian/#comment-17712 Wed, 12 Feb 2014 03:06:54 +0000 http://readingtheend.com/?p=5193#comment-17712 LMAO! Oh man. You are so right. The ONLY thing Laura has going for her is her goodness. Otherwise? Girl’s a wet washrag. Fosco has met his match in Marian. She is something else. Chilling on the roof in the rainstorm. Pfft. Can you imagine what a force she’d be had she access to modern medicine?!

]]> By: Nat https://readingtheend.com/2014/02/10/wilkie-in-winter-epoch-the-second-marian/#comment-17711 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 18:53:36 +0000 http://readingtheend.com/?p=5193#comment-17711 Count Fosco should be the villain in EVERY book. And Marian should find some sort of Watson and a legion of smart, independent, resourceful women to assist her, like Miss Climpson and her agency, and STOP ALL THE VILLAINS while being fabulous (and keeping Mr Fairlie around, ’cause he’s delightful)

(Laura who?)

Now I want to send messages to all my friends screaming about Marian and the Count and Wilkie Collins and why are we supposed to be reading Nick Hornby for our book club when we could be reading The Woman in White, instead? High FIdelity is good, but this is just… on an entirely different plane. Mariaaaaaaan.

]]> By: Gin Jenny https://readingtheend.com/2014/02/10/wilkie-in-winter-epoch-the-second-marian/#comment-17707 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:42:48 +0000 http://readingtheend.com/?p=5193#comment-17707 In reply to Gin Jenny.

Hahahaha, I feel concerned that we’re in a guilt spiral! I wasn’t trying to make you feel bad — I meant that I do, genuinely, sometimes treat intelligence as a moral virtue, and it’s a nasty habit to have, and I should stop. And your comment just reminded me of that.

]]> By: helen https://readingtheend.com/2014/02/10/wilkie-in-winter-epoch-the-second-marian/#comment-17706 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:21:52 +0000 http://readingtheend.com/?p=5193#comment-17706 In reply to Gin Jenny.

No no! YOU are right! I am so very sorry if you felt ashamed. I am officially no fun and will take myself out and – erm – I don’t know. Force-feed myself Wodehouse novels till I get a sense of humour…

Also I should try to remember that Laura Fairlie is a fictional character….

Maybe we ARE supposed to despise her and see the trope as boring? Even though Marian is made ‘masculine’? Wilkie Collins the feminist?

Anyway, I am sorry.

]]> By: Gin Jenny https://readingtheend.com/2014/02/10/wilkie-in-winter-epoch-the-second-marian/#comment-17687 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:58:54 +0000 http://readingtheend.com/?p=5193#comment-17687 In reply to helen.

“Being bright isn’t a moral virtue” — You are right. You make me ashamed of myself. I suppose a large factor in the degree of vituperation I bring to Laura is that she’s such a trope of the frail Victorian angel in the house heroine, and that’s a frustrating trope for me, especially when a guy is writing it, especially when a guy is writing it who I know can write strong women.

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