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		By: Memory		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2016 18:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remembered I hadn&#039;t read this yet, so I came and read it (along with all the comments) and now I have EVEN MORE EMOTIONS about the series. You&#039;ve summed it up so beautifully. I knew I wasn&#039;t gonna be able to manage anything this coherent, so I didn&#039;t even try. Maybe next time I reread the whole series, I&#039;ll write a thoughtful and reasoned response to the whole thing.

All their friendships and becomings and realizations... GAH. I love them all so much.

SPOILER: I also wish they&#039;d had more time to mourn Noah. I always knew they couldn&#039;t keep him, much as I hoped things would play out otherwise, and I want to see how they cope with his loss. I suppose he&#039;s really been slipping away since the moment they learned he was dead so there&#039;s been a certain amount of long form grief spread across all four books and basically culminating in Blue and Noah&#039;s moment under the tree, but still. NOAH.

(Also, I feel compelled to state that I always knew he was a ghost because he so obviously didn&#039;t go to any classes. However, I did miss the &quot;I&#039;ve been dead for seven years&quot; thing the first time through, possibly because I listened to it while I decorated a Christmas tree.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remembered I hadn&#8217;t read this yet, so I came and read it (along with all the comments) and now I have EVEN MORE EMOTIONS about the series. You&#8217;ve summed it up so beautifully. I knew I wasn&#8217;t gonna be able to manage anything this coherent, so I didn&#8217;t even try. Maybe next time I reread the whole series, I&#8217;ll write a thoughtful and reasoned response to the whole thing.</p>
<p>All their friendships and becomings and realizations&#8230; GAH. I love them all so much.</p>
<p>SPOILER: I also wish they&#8217;d had more time to mourn Noah. I always knew they couldn&#8217;t keep him, much as I hoped things would play out otherwise, and I want to see how they cope with his loss. I suppose he&#8217;s really been slipping away since the moment they learned he was dead so there&#8217;s been a certain amount of long form grief spread across all four books and basically culminating in Blue and Noah&#8217;s moment under the tree, but still. NOAH.</p>
<p>(Also, I feel compelled to state that I always knew he was a ghost because he so obviously didn&#8217;t go to any classes. However, I did miss the &#8220;I&#8217;ve been dead for seven years&#8221; thing the first time through, possibly because I listened to it while I decorated a Christmas tree.)</p>
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		By: Kim Aippersbach		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, Maggie Stiefvater makes me so happy! I kept interrupting my husband and reading passages to him: see why this is such a good book that I can&#039;t pay any attention to you?
(Spoilers in this comment.)

Fave scene? Possibly the amazing metaphor for Adam&#039;s kiss. Or the scene when they all show up in the cave and Gansey can&#039;t believe it (really, Gansey, after all this time?) Love how it echoes the scene when they show up at the trial for Adam. I had no problem with Glendower being dead, because it was so clear Gansey was the Raven King. Love how they&#039;re all kings, actually. (Oh, I get it: Raven boys, Raven king ...)

I found this one the most horrific and frightening of the four; there were scenes that verged on too terrible for me to read, but it&#039;s very much an illustration of that comment about fairy tales (C.S. Lewis??): kids don&#039;t need to know there&#039;s no monsters, they need to know monsters can be killed. (Something like that.)

Totally agree with your Number 4; there were actually several times in the series where I felt, &quot;that was so easy, after all that build-up.&quot; And I&#039;d add that—much as I&#039;m glad at how everything turned out!—it almost felt like there wasn&#039;t actually enough sacrificed. When Ronan asked Cabeswater to sacrifice itself, I thought &quot;noooo!&quot;, but I thought it was appropriate, and I even thought it might mean that Ronan and/or Adam would lose their magic, and I thought that would be sad but also appropriate. Or that Gansey would be different in a way that was a loss, somehow. But I&#039;m not complaining about the happy ending!

Thanks for your post: I have no idea how I&#039;m going to review this one. How to adequately portray its awesomeness!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Maggie Stiefvater makes me so happy! I kept interrupting my husband and reading passages to him: see why this is such a good book that I can&#8217;t pay any attention to you?<br />
(Spoilers in this comment.)</p>
<p>Fave scene? Possibly the amazing metaphor for Adam&#8217;s kiss. Or the scene when they all show up in the cave and Gansey can&#8217;t believe it (really, Gansey, after all this time?) Love how it echoes the scene when they show up at the trial for Adam. I had no problem with Glendower being dead, because it was so clear Gansey was the Raven King. Love how they&#8217;re all kings, actually. (Oh, I get it: Raven boys, Raven king &#8230;)</p>
<p>I found this one the most horrific and frightening of the four; there were scenes that verged on too terrible for me to read, but it&#8217;s very much an illustration of that comment about fairy tales (C.S. Lewis??): kids don&#8217;t need to know there&#8217;s no monsters, they need to know monsters can be killed. (Something like that.)</p>
<p>Totally agree with your Number 4; there were actually several times in the series where I felt, &#8220;that was so easy, after all that build-up.&#8221; And I&#8217;d add that—much as I&#8217;m glad at how everything turned out!—it almost felt like there wasn&#8217;t actually enough sacrificed. When Ronan asked Cabeswater to sacrifice itself, I thought &#8220;noooo!&#8221;, but I thought it was appropriate, and I even thought it might mean that Ronan and/or Adam would lose their magic, and I thought that would be sad but also appropriate. Or that Gansey would be different in a way that was a loss, somehow. But I&#8217;m not complaining about the happy ending!</p>
<p>Thanks for your post: I have no idea how I&#8217;m going to review this one. How to adequately portray its awesomeness!</p>
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		By: Jenny @ Reading the End		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29356&quot;&gt;Bina&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, damn, I&#039;m so sorry! What kind of thing has been happening? I have been getting more than one person who&#039;s said they&#039;re having problems with Disqus, so I&#039;m pretty close to giving it up as a plug-in.

So, Stiefvater -- there&#039;s some romance in the series, yes. But I would say overwhelmingly they&#039;re books about friendships, and how friendship is as important as, and often more important than, romance. If that makes a difference to you? It&#039;s got romance, but not nearly as much romance as friendship and adventure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29356">Bina</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, damn, I&#8217;m so sorry! What kind of thing has been happening? I have been getting more than one person who&#8217;s said they&#8217;re having problems with Disqus, so I&#8217;m pretty close to giving it up as a plug-in.</p>
<p>So, Stiefvater &#8212; there&#8217;s some romance in the series, yes. But I would say overwhelmingly they&#8217;re books about friendships, and how friendship is as important as, and often more important than, romance. If that makes a difference to you? It&#8217;s got romance, but not nearly as much romance as friendship and adventure.</p>
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		By: Heather O'Roark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2016 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29350&quot;&gt;Jenny @ Reading the End&lt;/a&gt;.

I didn&#039;t NOT like it, I just didn&#039;t particularly like anything about it. It just didn&#039;t grab me. Maybe it wasn&#039;t the book&#039;s fault, maybe I need to be in the right mood or something. I&#039;ll try again because the way you describe it makes me think I would LOVE the series.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29350">Jenny @ Reading the End</a>.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t NOT like it, I just didn&#8217;t particularly like anything about it. It just didn&#8217;t grab me. Maybe it wasn&#8217;t the book&#8217;s fault, maybe I need to be in the right mood or something. I&#8217;ll try again because the way you describe it makes me think I would LOVE the series.</p>
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		By: Bina		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2016 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ugh disqus hates me this week, I&#039;m giving up so that I can finally comment on your posts. Sorry it took so long!
I&#039;ve been seeing your twitter convos about this series and keep thinking I really should give it a try. I haven&#039;t even read any of her books. I know the horror! :) I don&#039;t like romance which seems to be everywhere in YA but perhaps Stiefvater has books where not everone is paired of?? Let me know!! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh disqus hates me this week, I&#8217;m giving up so that I can finally comment on your posts. Sorry it took so long!<br />
I&#8217;ve been seeing your twitter convos about this series and keep thinking I really should give it a try. I haven&#8217;t even read any of her books. I know the horror! 🙂 I don&#8217;t like romance which seems to be everywhere in YA but perhaps Stiefvater has books where not everone is paired of?? Let me know!! 🙂</p>
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		By: teresareads		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29347&quot;&gt;Jenny @ Reading the End&lt;/a&gt;.

I know lots of lady INTJs, too, but almost all of them are women I know online. Maybe online communication is especially suited to us?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29347">Jenny @ Reading the End</a>.</p>
<p>I know lots of lady INTJs, too, but almost all of them are women I know online. Maybe online communication is especially suited to us?</p>
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		By: Jenny @ Reading the End		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny @ Reading the End]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29343&quot;&gt;Tasha B. (heidenkind)&lt;/a&gt;.

What! No! It&#039;s not a downer! There are sad things that happen, but not more sad things than any of the other books in the series. If you were okay with those, I think you&#039;ll be okay with this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29343">Tasha B. (heidenkind)</a>.</p>
<p>What! No! It&#8217;s not a downer! There are sad things that happen, but not more sad things than any of the other books in the series. If you were okay with those, I think you&#8217;ll be okay with this.</p>
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		By: Jenny @ Reading the End		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny @ Reading the End]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29345&quot;&gt;Kim Aippersbach&lt;/a&gt;.

OH NO! I hope you didn&#039;t find out anything too enormously monumental. (But as I say -- I truly do believe these books are unspoilable in some important ways. It&#039;s about the journey, not the destination.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29345">Kim Aippersbach</a>.</p>
<p>OH NO! I hope you didn&#8217;t find out anything too enormously monumental. (But as I say &#8212; I truly do believe these books are unspoilable in some important ways. It&#8217;s about the journey, not the destination.)</p>
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		By: Jenny @ Reading the End		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29342&quot;&gt;Stefanie@SoManyBooks&lt;/a&gt;.

YOU SHOULD THANK ME. Man, I am doing such great work convincing people to read this series. You&#039;ll thank me later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29342">Stefanie@SoManyBooks</a>.</p>
<p>YOU SHOULD THANK ME. Man, I am doing such great work convincing people to read this series. You&#8217;ll thank me later.</p>
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		By: Jenny @ Reading the End		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny @ Reading the End]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2016/05/02/raven-king-maggie-stiefvater/#comment-29341&quot;&gt;jen mullen&lt;/a&gt;.

IT IS. Actually I&#039;d say it&#039;s better than Blue Lily Lily Blue! Lots of things get resolved. Lots of friendship moments. It&#039;s great.]]></description>
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<p>IT IS. Actually I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s better than Blue Lily Lily Blue! Lots of things get resolved. Lots of friendship moments. It&#8217;s great.</p>
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