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		By: Katie @ Doing Dewey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katie @ Doing Dewey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2017 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know what you mean about having a hard time saying anything bad about a book like this! I&#039;ve felt the same way reading books about diverse protagonists. I&#039;m too nervous about sex scenes to pick this up, but I appreciated your nuanced review.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean about having a hard time saying anything bad about a book like this! I&#8217;ve felt the same way reading books about diverse protagonists. I&#8217;m too nervous about sex scenes to pick this up, but I appreciated your nuanced review.</p>
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		By: Naomi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2017 01:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting to read your thoughts on this. I&#039;ve had it on my to-read list a long time, but had really forgotten why at this point. Your review brings up some good points - thanks for such a thoughtful review!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to read your thoughts on this. I&#8217;ve had it on my to-read list a long time, but had really forgotten why at this point. Your review brings up some good points &#8211; thanks for such a thoughtful review!</p>
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		By: Michelle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2017 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2017/01/05/review-golden-boy-abigail-tarttelin/#comment-31106&quot;&gt;Jenny @ Reading the End&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, your comment about the Latina YA author had me reflecting on comments made by my husband. I get so tired of people making assumptions about other people&#039;s experiences just because they have not experienced such things themselves. I like that you throw in your reasons for why something does not work for you; I do agree that it is incredibly important to do so. It doesn&#039;t mean the story is bad; it just means there is something in your past (experience/value/belief) that prevents you from accepting it as it is. Empathy. We need more of it in this world, and my favorite reviewers are the ones who bring empathy into their reviews, like you do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2017/01/05/review-golden-boy-abigail-tarttelin/#comment-31106">Jenny @ Reading the End</a>.</p>
<p>Also, your comment about the Latina YA author had me reflecting on comments made by my husband. I get so tired of people making assumptions about other people&#8217;s experiences just because they have not experienced such things themselves. I like that you throw in your reasons for why something does not work for you; I do agree that it is incredibly important to do so. It doesn&#8217;t mean the story is bad; it just means there is something in your past (experience/value/belief) that prevents you from accepting it as it is. Empathy. We need more of it in this world, and my favorite reviewers are the ones who bring empathy into their reviews, like you do.</p>
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		By: Michelle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2017 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2017/01/05/review-golden-boy-abigail-tarttelin/#comment-31106&quot;&gt;Jenny @ Reading the End&lt;/a&gt;.

No worries! It means you are consciously aware of the issues, even if no one has any easy answers. I can see how the marketing is misleading and yes, this does the book a huge disservice. It does the entire genre a disservice. Readers are intelligent; there is no need to pretend the book is about one thing rather than provide the truth from the very beginning. It will just piss off readers and cause them to shy away from other books marketed by them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2017/01/05/review-golden-boy-abigail-tarttelin/#comment-31106">Jenny @ Reading the End</a>.</p>
<p>No worries! It means you are consciously aware of the issues, even if no one has any easy answers. I can see how the marketing is misleading and yes, this does the book a huge disservice. It does the entire genre a disservice. Readers are intelligent; there is no need to pretend the book is about one thing rather than provide the truth from the very beginning. It will just piss off readers and cause them to shy away from other books marketed by them.</p>
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		By: A.M.B.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2017 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow. I don&#039;t think I could&#039;ve handled a pages-long rape scene, especially without knowing it was in there. I&#039;ve thinking about books that make progress in some areas (such as by representing a group that society typically ignores) while faltering in others areas (such as by using the &#039;R&#039; word or perpetuating victim-blaming). I don&#039;t want to hold books to impossibly high standards -- and as a writer, I always fear making a mistake that offends people -- but it&#039;s tough to wholeheartedly recommend books that make these kinds of errors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I don&#8217;t think I could&#8217;ve handled a pages-long rape scene, especially without knowing it was in there. I&#8217;ve thinking about books that make progress in some areas (such as by representing a group that society typically ignores) while faltering in others areas (such as by using the &#8216;R&#8217; word or perpetuating victim-blaming). I don&#8217;t want to hold books to impossibly high standards &#8212; and as a writer, I always fear making a mistake that offends people &#8212; but it&#8217;s tough to wholeheartedly recommend books that make these kinds of errors.</p>
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		By: Read Diverse Books		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2017 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yikes, pages-long rape scene? I would be very uncomfortable reading that and question the whole time if it was necessary to be that graphic at all. And the note about the R word being said in the book...reminds me of how it was also said in Gaby, A Girl In Pieces and how it wasn&#039;t challenged either. Thankfully it didn&#039;t happen again, but it was pretty disappointing to see.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, pages-long rape scene? I would be very uncomfortable reading that and question the whole time if it was necessary to be that graphic at all. And the note about the R word being said in the book&#8230;reminds me of how it was also said in Gaby, A Girl In Pieces and how it wasn&#8217;t challenged either. Thankfully it didn&#8217;t happen again, but it was pretty disappointing to see.</p>
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		By: Akilah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Akilah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2017 23:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2017/01/05/review-golden-boy-abigail-tarttelin/#comment-31103&quot;&gt;Jenny @ Reading the End&lt;/a&gt;.

I should have been clearer. I meant that I hate when authors don&#039;t offer an explicit counterpoint to something troubling in a book. For example, if a character suffers from depression, I appreciate if the author/narrative notes that there is therapy or help available even if the characters don&#039;t make use of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2017/01/05/review-golden-boy-abigail-tarttelin/#comment-31103">Jenny @ Reading the End</a>.</p>
<p>I should have been clearer. I meant that I hate when authors don&#8217;t offer an explicit counterpoint to something troubling in a book. For example, if a character suffers from depression, I appreciate if the author/narrative notes that there is therapy or help available even if the characters don&#8217;t make use of it.</p>
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		By: Jenny @ Reading the End		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny @ Reading the End]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2017 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2017/01/05/review-golden-boy-abigail-tarttelin/#comment-31105&quot;&gt;Michelle&lt;/a&gt;.

I mean -- my attitude isn&#039;t that I don&#039;t feel I have space to be honest about my reactions to books, although I do try to be aware of my privileges when I&#039;m writing about books by authors from historically marginalized groups. It&#039;s more that I wish I didn&#039;t have caveats to give with this review. In particular, since my response to the book was heavily informed by a misleading marketing choice, I feel frustrated that marketing decisions led to this huge expectations gap that made me resent the book almost from the jump. You know? And while I would resent misleading marketing in any case, I particularly resent it for a book like Golden Boy where it&#039;s one of so incredibly few books with intersex protagonists. I wish that I&#039;d loved the book better, basically! I&#039;m sad I didn&#039;t love it better. Maybe I did a bad job of conveying that. :/

I&#039;d also say that if I do write about books in a way that relays the unspoken message that I am uneducated / insensitive / biased against a marginalized group like intersex folks, I really hope that people would call me on it. You know? Like I can never get better and eradicate internalized prejudices that I haven&#039;t realized I&#039;ve got.

ALSO also, I read a Twitter thread one time by a Latina YA author who was talking about how heavily her work was informed by magic realism and Latin American literary conventions, and how she&#039;d seen a lot of reviews criticizing her book for elements she&#039;d put in there deliberately that were part of the Latin American literary tradition she came up in. And she said she didn&#039;t mind the criticism or the idea that her type of writing wouldn&#039;t work for some people, but that people acted like the conventions she was using were mistakes of a rookie writer. Like if someone reviewed Passengers and said &quot;the idea of the ship they&#039;re on is preposterous, only a foolish writer would come up with such a thing&quot; -- that would betray lack of knowledge of the trope of generation ships in science fiction. So I think about that a lot when I&#039;m writing about books, and I try to be cognizant of that and be cautious about saying &quot;this was a failure&quot; vs &quot;this didn&#039;t work for me.&quot; With Golden Boy, I truly think the marketing of the book (not the book itself) was a failure and a disservice to an important book.

Also, I wasn&#039;t wild about Swing Time either. I have a whole big review coming up where I try to unpack why that is.

SORRY THIS REPLY IS SO LONG. As you can perhaps tell, I think about this stuff a lot. :p]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2017/01/05/review-golden-boy-abigail-tarttelin/#comment-31105">Michelle</a>.</p>
<p>I mean &#8212; my attitude isn&#8217;t that I don&#8217;t feel I have space to be honest about my reactions to books, although I do try to be aware of my privileges when I&#8217;m writing about books by authors from historically marginalized groups. It&#8217;s more that I wish I didn&#8217;t have caveats to give with this review. In particular, since my response to the book was heavily informed by a misleading marketing choice, I feel frustrated that marketing decisions led to this huge expectations gap that made me resent the book almost from the jump. You know? And while I would resent misleading marketing in any case, I particularly resent it for a book like Golden Boy where it&#8217;s one of so incredibly few books with intersex protagonists. I wish that I&#8217;d loved the book better, basically! I&#8217;m sad I didn&#8217;t love it better. Maybe I did a bad job of conveying that. :/</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also say that if I do write about books in a way that relays the unspoken message that I am uneducated / insensitive / biased against a marginalized group like intersex folks, I really hope that people would call me on it. You know? Like I can never get better and eradicate internalized prejudices that I haven&#8217;t realized I&#8217;ve got.</p>
<p>ALSO also, I read a Twitter thread one time by a Latina YA author who was talking about how heavily her work was informed by magic realism and Latin American literary conventions, and how she&#8217;d seen a lot of reviews criticizing her book for elements she&#8217;d put in there deliberately that were part of the Latin American literary tradition she came up in. And she said she didn&#8217;t mind the criticism or the idea that her type of writing wouldn&#8217;t work for some people, but that people acted like the conventions she was using were mistakes of a rookie writer. Like if someone reviewed Passengers and said &#8220;the idea of the ship they&#8217;re on is preposterous, only a foolish writer would come up with such a thing&#8221; &#8212; that would betray lack of knowledge of the trope of generation ships in science fiction. So I think about that a lot when I&#8217;m writing about books, and I try to be cognizant of that and be cautious about saying &#8220;this was a failure&#8221; vs &#8220;this didn&#8217;t work for me.&#8221; With Golden Boy, I truly think the marketing of the book (not the book itself) was a failure and a disservice to an important book.</p>
<p>Also, I wasn&#8217;t wild about Swing Time either. I have a whole big review coming up where I try to unpack why that is.</p>
<p>SORRY THIS REPLY IS SO LONG. As you can perhaps tell, I think about this stuff a lot. :p</p>
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		By: Michelle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2017 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your general feelings about the book and what it means if you didn&#039;t like it mirror my own feelings about &lt;i&gt;Swing Time&lt;/i&gt;. Knowing that there is a dearth of novels written by POC about POC characters made me hesitate to say definitively that I did not like the novel because I felt it was a reflection on me and may indicate some hidden biases that may or may not exist. It is frustrating that because we should be able to be honest about our reactions to books (and we are) without having to question whether doing so relays an unspoken message. What weird times we live in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your general feelings about the book and what it means if you didn&#8217;t like it mirror my own feelings about <i>Swing Time</i>. Knowing that there is a dearth of novels written by POC about POC characters made me hesitate to say definitively that I did not like the novel because I felt it was a reflection on me and may indicate some hidden biases that may or may not exist. It is frustrating that because we should be able to be honest about our reactions to books (and we are) without having to question whether doing so relays an unspoken message. What weird times we live in.</p>
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		By: Jenny @ Reading the End		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2017 16:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://readingtheend.com/2017/01/05/review-golden-boy-abigail-tarttelin/#comment-31100&quot;&gt;Simon T (StuckinaBook.com)&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d have been more fine with the gay character being the rapist if Max hadn&#039;t spent so much time vehemently assuring everyone he wasn&#039;t gay (because people keep asking). And I absolutely don&#039;t think the author believes that gay folks are evil or rapists -- I think she was trying to get at the assumptions people make about the intersections of gender identity and sexuality. The end result was just a teeny bit uncomfortable for me, is all.

Also, whoever told you &quot;retarded&quot; was fine to use in American English was nonsense. It&#039;s not fine, American English has been done with that word for yeeeeeears.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://readingtheend.com/2017/01/05/review-golden-boy-abigail-tarttelin/#comment-31100">Simon T (StuckinaBook.com)</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have been more fine with the gay character being the rapist if Max hadn&#8217;t spent so much time vehemently assuring everyone he wasn&#8217;t gay (because people keep asking). And I absolutely don&#8217;t think the author believes that gay folks are evil or rapists &#8212; I think she was trying to get at the assumptions people make about the intersections of gender identity and sexuality. The end result was just a teeny bit uncomfortable for me, is all.</p>
<p>Also, whoever told you &#8220;retarded&#8221; was fine to use in American English was nonsense. It&#8217;s not fine, American English has been done with that word for yeeeeeears.</p>
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